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Nickodemus

Why I have no money for paintball

I bought a Winchester Model 70 Stealth II in .223WSSM:





It's got a heavy barrel:


It eats these, the projectile is the same as a .223 rem (like the M-16/AR-15), but the case is different. It shoots it out around 4,000fps.

It's like a very short .50 cal to throw a little 55-60gr .223

The optic is a Burris 6X HBRII
g36 monkey

that thing looks freakin sweet. I wish I could convince my father to get some more guns, about how much is el' ammunition for it Thinking
tigman250

i must say that is a fine rifle! i loaded my .243 with some 55 gr. nosler BTip bullets and got very close to 4000 fps but noticed larger groups, the techs i talked to said because i was using the standard tapered barrel i may have been getting some barrel whip so i went with a 70 gr. HP BTail bullet and slowed it to 3000 fps and got much better results.

have fun with your new toy......post some shot up targets!
Nickodemus

g36 monkey wrote:
about how much is el' ammunition for it Thinking

Buck a round. I plan to reload it.
Nickodemus

I need to buy a sling for it, get my shell holders and projectiles so I can load up some more bullets, and then I'm off to the range.
Nickodemus

tigman250 wrote:
i must say that is a fine rifle! i loaded my .243 with some 55 gr. nosler BTip bullets and got very close to 4000 fps but noticed larger groups, the techs i talked to said because i was using the standard tapered barrel i may have been getting some barrel whip so i went with a 70 gr. HP BTail bullet and slowed it to 3000 fps and got much better results.

have fun with your new toy......post some shot up targets!

Thanks

I also hear that with a lower grain weight and a fast twist barrel, the bullet can spin so fast at the higher velocity loads that it disinigrates. I have to remember to clean my bore frequently for accuracy and also let it cool between strings of shooting for wear. I hear you shoot out your barrel sooner with these high pressure rounds, and that it can be minimized. I plan to load around 3,500fps just to provide more barrel life.

Monkey- Get your dad to go shooting. If some time at the range doesn't spark his interest to get a new gun, I don't think anything you could say would. I suggest you start saving money to get your own.
sinisterNorth

Very nice. I really want to pick up a nice rifle, but I never have enough money. If you were to reccomend one, just to fiddle around with and possibly hunt smaller game, what would it be?
Ghostslinger

Nickodemus wrote:
g36 monkey wrote:
about how much is el' ammunition for it Thinking

Buck a round. I plan to reload it.


i'm getting into reloading myself (except im dealing with .45 long colt since its hard to find and expensive if you do find it. then again, maybe its my location)
Nickodemus

sinisterNorth wrote:
Very nice. I really want to pick up a nice rifle, but I never have enough money. If you were to reccomend one, just to fiddle around with and possibly hunt smaller game, what would it be?

Definately a Ruger 10/22. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Fir...sults?function=famid&famid=39
I would get it with a stainless finish, and synthetic stock. Although you probably would get an aftermarket stock for it later. Don't spend the money for the elaborate heavy barrel. If you need it, later you can buy a more accurate match barrel. I would also keep it in .22L, not the .22 mag. You want the low price ammo. The Ruger 10/22 is the ultimate plinker, and very customizable. You could dump 30 round mags all afternoon of nice cheap but quality .22L ammo. For hunting small game and also pest control, it would be fine. For a survival rifle you could have small packs of thousands of rounds of ammo. The 10/22 is good for head shots out to 100 yards. Just be careful not to expect too much out of the little cartridge, but it does get good velocity and penetration. If you jump through the hoops, for about $500 (by the time you buy it and pay the tax stamp) you could legally own a silencer that makes it sound like spit hitting a sidewalk. You could then install it on other .22 guns legally, since it is registered in it's own right.

Basically, everyone should own a quality .22L for at least target practice. The Ruger 10/22 is the way to go for price, quality, aftermarket customizability and general rugged usefulness. They are not the only one, but you won't go wrong with that one.
Nickodemus

Ghostslinger wrote:
Nickodemus wrote:
g36 monkey wrote:
about how much is el' ammunition for it Thinking

Buck a round. I plan to reload it.


i'm getting into reloading myself (except im dealing with .45 long colt since its hard to find and expensive if you do find it. then again, maybe its my location)

You shouldn't have much trouble reloading that one. Nice straight case.
tigman250

Nickodemus wrote:
sinisterNorth wrote:
Very nice. I really want to pick up a nice rifle, but I never have enough money. If you were to reccomend one, just to fiddle around with and possibly hunt smaller game, what would it be?

Definately a Ruger 10/22. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Fir...sults?function=famid&famid=39
I would get it with a stainless finish, and synthetic stock. Although you probably would get an aftermarket stock for it later. Don't spend the money for the elaborate heavy barrel. If you need it, later you can buy a more accurate match barrel. I would also keep it in .22L, not the .22 mag. You want the low price ammo. The Ruger 10/22 is the ultimate plinker, and very customizable. You could dump 30 round mags all afternoon of nice cheap but quality .22L ammo. For hunting small game and also pest control, it would be fine. For a survival rifle you could have small packs of thousands of rounds of ammo. The 10/22 is good for head shots out to 100 yards. Just be careful not to expect too much out of the little cartridge, but it does get good velocity and penetration. If you jump through the hoops, for about $500 (by the time you buy it and pay the tax stamp) you could legally own a silencer that makes it sound like spit hitting a sidewalk. You could then install it on other .22 guns legally, since it is registered in it's own right.

Basically, everyone should own a quality .22L for at least target practice. The Ruger 10/22 is the way to go for price, quality, aftermarket customizability and general rugged usefulness. They are not the only one, but you won't go wrong with that one.


i would agree with that 1000% i have a 10-22 and have shot thousands of rounds through it without any problems, i have done alot of trigger mods to lighten and shorten the trigger pull and with the tapered barrel it's a tack driver out to 50 yds. for the money it's really the only way to go!
TriggerHappy1

niceeeee

very weird looking round.
g36 monkey

Nickodemust wrote:

Monkey- Get your dad to go shooting. If some time at the range doesn't spark his interest to get a new gun, I don't think anything you could say would. I suggest you start saving money to get your own.


Well, we usually get something from my uncle at least once a year, and i go to gun shows w/ him alot. Money is sort of tight right now though but in a while we will be adding to our small arsenal im sure Rambo
Justice

tigman250 wrote:
i must say that is a fine rifle! i loaded my .243 with some 55 gr. nosler BTip bullets and got very close to 4000 fps but noticed larger groups, the techs i talked to said because i was using the standard tapered barrel i may have been getting some barrel whip so i went with a 70 gr. HP BTail bullet and slowed it to 3000 fps and got much better results.

have fun with your new toy......post some shot up targets!


Your shooting too hot! turn it down!! Laughing

^^Nice rifle. Nothin wrong with a Winchester.
Nickodemus

TriggerHappy1 wrote:
niceeeee

very weird looking round.

Yep, some say it is a fad, some think it will catch on.

The idea is to have a shorter overall cartridge, so the bolt throw is less and the action closes up tighter. Also, the fat case is supposed to provide a more even and faster burn rate because of the wide diameter.

I still have yet to shoot it.
Nickodemus

Justice wrote:

^^Nice rifle. Nothin wrong with a Winchester.

Some say that the Win model 70 is the rifleman's rifle. Some side with the Rem 700, Rem was smart enough to get the gov't contract so they are more popular.
If you want a new Winchester now is the time. The company is currently ran by a bunch of bean counters and they are not making rifles in America anymore. CDNN has some of the last of the good ones, but I would suggest a more common caliber then what I decided to get. Hindsight is 20/20. At least I can reload it.
Nickodemus

g36 monkey wrote:

Well, we usually get something from my uncle at least once a year, and i go to gun shows w/ him alot. Money is sort of tight right now though but in a while we will be adding to our small arsenal im sure Rambo

You want an HK G36 I take it. Why not get it when you can legally own it? The SL8 is the civilian version. If you started saving now until you are 18, maybe you would have the couple grand it would take to buy yourself the real nice toy.
Remember, it takes $90 magazines. German = heavy, accurate, expensive.
For 1/2 price you could get a nice AR, or for even less a nice AK.
g36 monkey

Nickodemus wrote:
g36 monkey wrote:

Well, we usually get something from my uncle at least once a year, and i go to gun shows w/ him alot. Money is sort of tight right now though but in a while we will be adding to our small arsenal im sure Rambo

You want an HK G36 I take it. Why not get it when you can legally own it? The SL8 is the civilian version. If you started saving now until you are 18, maybe you would have the couple grand it would take to buy yourself the real nice toy.
Remember, it takes $90 magazines. German = heavy, accurate, expensive.
For 1/2 price you could get a nice AR, or for even less a nice AK.


im glad we have sauch an enthusiast here.

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